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  • Got there !
    All good stuff but I think a simple message on all Welsh river sites setting out very brief details of the Ministers proposals (so far as they are known/understood) with a link to the Sustainable Access petition would be helpful. The numbers currently signed up are pathetic. I seem to recollect that the "paddlers" initiated Assembly interest with a petition containing 9000 signatures, albeit that many were, I believe, from outside Wales. I am not a great Internet/website user but I am sure there are many other sites like the Sea Trout Forum where the message could be promulgated.

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    • Glad you made it welcome.

      You can be assured that this issue has been pushed and pushed hard, and still, as you say the response has been pathetic.

      Still we keep trying.
      Highplains

      www.cpwf.co.uk

      Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise that we cannot eat money (Cree Indian saying)

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      • Gentlemen,

        I thought you should know that the NRW are now consulting on their plan to close all hatcheries in Wales, private ones included, on the grounds that they say learned papers suggest that hatchery bred stock damage the wild fish population and that they are counter productive. I find this hard to swallow as there are any number of rivers in Wales that have not been stocked for years, yet over 50% of Welsh rivers salmon stocks are classified as "at risk".

        This is the link to the consultation documentation, I think we should make a concerted effort to express our views.

        http://naturalresourceswales.gov.uk/...eries/?lang=en

        It is not clear from the response document that they will accept "any further comments" as an addendum to your response, which means you can express your own opinions.
        Last edited by highplains; 04-04-2014, 06:00 PM. Reason: to add a clarification.
        Highplains

        www.cpwf.co.uk

        Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise that we cannot eat money (Cree Indian saying)

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        • Hi highplains,
          Just skipped through the proposals of the NRW and my own thoughts are that it's a cost cutting exercise, when a company takes over another, normally it's first action is to streamline its operations by usually reducing its workforce ie hatchery staff and reducing or stopping non productive work ie stocking. We are all living in an age where cut backs are making life very difficult. By quoting science and statistics it puts the lay person in a difficult position as all we can go on is antidotal evidence.
          We as anglers pay a rod licence fee to fish the rivers of Wales and for this privilege (one of the few groups that use the water ways that do) what do we get back? Not much in my experience, I have fished my river for well over 30 years and have only ever seen a bailiff once in all that time and that was in a van crossing one of the bridges. (This is not a criticism of the bailiffs just that they are massively under staffed and probably have more behind the scene activities to do)
          Stocking was an overt activity and if this was to stop what would our licence fee be used for, habitat maintenance maybe but that would cost millions every year and would involve additional staff and equipment, anti poaching again they would have to increase the bailiff force.
          To put it bluntly they are using the science and statistics to put a case forward to reduce cost by closing hatcheries and stop stocking. May be I should put my rods on eBay and buy a kayak then don't have to pay a licence fee and destroy loads of fish redds, trespass and at no cost to my self only to the environment.
          Rant over
          Paul

          "Your judged on your actions not your intentions, you may have a heart of gold but so does a hard boiled egg"

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          • Highplains, for got to ask is the Clwyd still being stocked with salmon and Seatrout ?
            Paul

            "Your judged on your actions not your intentions, you may have a heart of gold but so does a hard boiled egg"

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            • No is the answer and hasn't been for several years now.

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              • In which case then on the Clwyd and Elwy at least you can't blame the stocking of salmon from hatcheries for the continuing decline in salmon on the catch returns.
                Paul

                "Your judged on your actions not your intentions, you may have a heart of gold but so does a hard boiled egg"

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                • Hi Paul,

                  No the Clwyd has not been stocked for years.

                  With regard to your rant: please complete the consultation response, as its no good ranting here we need to shout at NRW. For those that don't know the NRW is Natural Resources Wales, which has swallowed the Environment Agency Wales (who no longer exist in their old form)

                  Please fellow anglers follow the link and respond otherwise they will conclude that we don't care.

                  http://naturalresourceswales.gov.uk/...eries/?lang=en

                  Come on: you know its worth it.

                  Please also pass on the link to as many anglers and club chairs or secretaries as you can. The NRW seem to be determined to abandon angling and anglers.
                  Highplains

                  www.cpwf.co.uk

                  Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise that we cannot eat money (Cree Indian saying)

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                  • I have now completed and submitted by response to the consultation, a copy of which is now on the Campaign web site. However I have added the following comment as an annex, which I hope sums up my views. Please take the time to submit at least a comment yourself, however brief, and if you wish to adapt the following you are more than welcome. Making your views known takes little longer that making a comment here on the forum. Go for it.

                    All of the paperwork included with or referred to as part of the consultation package makes a convincing case that the introduction of hatchery bred fish into a thriving wild population of salmonids is counterproductive. I would not presume to argue with the either the credentials or the conclusions of the learned papers, however I do argue with the relevance of the information to the present state of the salmon stocks in the rivers of Wales. My comment follows:

                    All the learned papers make it quite clear that there is a place for the introduction of hatchery reared fish, indeed K.A. Young states "potential Captive breeding programmes can help conserve species ". Salmon stocks are, according to NRW's own research and published papers, classified as "at risk" or "potentially at risk" in the region of <50% of Welsh rivers. At risk of what? At risk of extinction! At risk of extinction because the levels of egg deposition is insufficient to secure the future of the species. Under these circumstances captive breeding programmes MUST be used to help conserve the species.

                    I live in the hope that financial expedience on behalf of either the Welsh Government or Natural Resources Wales, both of whom are servants of the Welsh people, will not result in the eventual extinction of salmo salar from the rivers of Wales. I should not like that accusation or indeed that possibility on my conscience, and hope the same will apply to those responsible for coming to the final conclusions following this consultation process.


                    If you would like to view my full response it is published on the Campaign web site under the OUR RESPONSES tab

                    web site www.cpwf.co.uk
                    Last edited by highplains; 20-04-2014, 09:07 PM.
                    Highplains

                    www.cpwf.co.uk

                    Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise that we cannot eat money (Cree Indian saying)

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                    • Hi all,

                      Plese see below a link to an angling survey being carried out currently.

                      In view of the pressure being put on anglers and angling at the moment will you please pass on this link to your club secretaries is your club has any water in Wales. It is crucial that the extent of angling activity be known by the "powers that be". Anglers are voters.

                      https://surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=9...AP5jjpPg_3d_3d

                      If the club hs more that 10 waters please use this to list the following 10 and further tens.

                      https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FishingWales

                      Please either copy and paste this item to send to other angler or indeed syndicate participants, or send them this link

                      https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FishingWales

                      Thank you all.

                      Many thanks
                      Highplains

                      www.cpwf.co.uk

                      Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise that we cannot eat money (Cree Indian saying)

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                      • POSSIBLE UDN. WARNING AND INFORMATION NOTICE.

                        Please follow this link to the front page of the cpwf web site, where I have posted a notice about the possibility of UDN. The notice is from the EA in England and refers to the River Wye .

                        UDN decimated salmon stocks back on the 60's: it could be really serious.

                        http://www.cpwf.co.uk/campaign/
                        Highplains

                        www.cpwf.co.uk

                        Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise that we cannot eat money (Cree Indian saying)

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                        • We are delighted (thrilled actually) to announce that the Trout and Salmon Magazine has listed the Campaign bid for funds to challenge the closure of Welsh hatcheries.

                          This is your chance to vote for our pitch which is as follows:

                          “The Board of Natural Resources Wales has recently announced the closure of all hatcheries with the exception of a proposed ‘centre of excellence’ in Brecon Beacons National Park. The evidence presented to the Board to justify their closure was more than 200 papers, which NRW contends provide scientific evidence that hatchery-bred fish lose their genetic integrity and are less robust than their wild counterparts. It is our contention that the quoted documents do not provide such proof. Conclusions that NRW have drawn are based upon supposition. Economic considerations have been the driving factor, not the protection of salmon stocks. The papers quoted actually support the principle of mitigation stocking. Critically, most rivers in England and Wales are forecast to be either ‘at risk’ or ‘probably at risk’ by 2018. Our pitch is for an independent scientist to be appointed to assess the papers provided by NRW as evidence for their policy to close all hatcheries. The outcome should be clear and the result measurable.”

                          We are up against some mighty competitors, all of whom have good cases. We believe however that, under present circumstances, ours is the best. If you agree vote for pitch number 1

                          This link will take you to the Facebook page which lists all eight competing bids. If you support us please vote

                          https://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-...95931353755639
                          Highplains

                          www.cpwf.co.uk

                          Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise that we cannot eat money (Cree Indian saying)

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                          • Are you aware that compulsory catch and release for salmon is upon us as well as for sea trout on many rivers.

                            Please take the time to watch this video, it details to "goings on" in Canada but the problem came from Europe and if you watch the graphics the issue problems are in waters around us. The film takes about an hour to watch. If you see dead salmon in your river: report them!


                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTbxOFcvC4U
                            Highplains

                            www.cpwf.co.uk

                            Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise that we cannot eat money (Cree Indian saying)

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                            • At last, the chance for Welsh game anglers to be represented at the highest level. I urge you to please ask your club to join the Angling Trust and consider joining yourselves.

                              Angling Trust Media Release

                              Wednesday, 21st September, 2016 Angling Trust Logo

                              Welsh anglers to have a new voice

                              The Angling Trust announced today that it will extend its role representing its growing membership of individual anglers, angling clubs, fisheries, riparian owners and tackle shop owners in Wales; something which was until now restricted to England.

                              The role will initially be limited to a short list of issues linked to ongoing campaigns that the Angling Trust is already running: salmon netting, agricultural pollution, unlawful canoe access, tidal lagoons, commercial over-exploitation of sea bass, cormorant and goosander predation, abstraction licensing and barriers to migration.

                              However, if there is substantial growth in membership as a result of this move, the Trust will consider taking on a full representative role as it does in England, campaigning on scores of other issues. It would then appoint new staff based in Wales and form an Angling Trust Cymru Committee.

                              Steffan Jones, angling guide and author, said: “Welsh angling, in all its forms, needs professional representation and the Angling Trust has proved that it can do this to a very high standard from its work over the past seven years since the English angling organisations unified. I believe that every angler, whatever they fish for, should be a member of the Angling Trust and Fish Legal.”

                              A range of membership packages is available, starting at 29 a year for individuals. Angling club, fishery and riparian owner membership automatically includes a specially-designed public liability, employer’s and trustees’ insurance which is so competitive that it can save clubs and fisheries more than the cost of their membership subscription.

                              Mark Lloyd, Chief Executive of the Angling Trust and Fish Legal, said: “Welsh angling faces some immediate and very severe threats with a widespread decline in many marine and freshwater fish stocks, the potential for legislation to impose unlimited canoe access and proposals for multiple tidal lagoons which could cause huge damage to marine and migratory fish populations. If these threats are to be fended off, anglers must have professional representation in Welsh government, as well as in Westminster and Brussels, where many decisions affecting fisheries are made. We are limited in what we can do at the moment by resources, but if lots of anglers join up, we could do much more to protect fish and fishing in England and Wales in the future.”

                              There are currently three separate governing bodies for angling in Wales: the Welsh Salmon and Trout Angling Association, the Welsh Federation of Sea Anglers and the Welsh Federation of Coarse Anglers. There is also an umbrella body called Angling Cymru. The Angling Trust has offered to work closely with all of these organisations, which are principally involved in running Welsh angling teams and angling development, to ensure that there is a united voice for all anglers.

                              ENDS -
                              ________________________________________


                              Media contact:
                              Mark Lloyd, Chief Executive of the Angling Trust and Fish legal.
                              mark.lloyd@anglingtrust.net 07973 468 198

                              Angling Trust:
                              The Angling Trust is the national representative and governing body for angling in England. It is united in a collaborative relationship with Fish Legal, a separate membership association using the law to protect fish stocks and the rights of its members throughout the UK.

                              Find out all about the Angling Trust and its work at Angling Trust Organisation for Anglers or call us on 01568 620447.

                              Join the Angling Trust online at anglingtrust.net/join or call us on 01568 620447.

                              Fishinginfo.co.uk:
                              For more information about where to fish in England and Wales, visit Angling Trust "Fishing Info"
                              Highplains

                              www.cpwf.co.uk

                              Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise that we cannot eat money (Cree Indian saying)

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